Монгольские народы в мире (демография, взаимоотношения...)

Добавлено: 10.12.04, 13:36 +0000 **sansarana**

What is my problem? Not me, some guys have the problem.
The problem is that there are some people in Mongolia who use words mongol and halha as synonyms. In that sense, I would identify myself as a buryat rather than a mongol /in the meaning of halha/. And of course, I am a mongolian /citizen of Mongolia/.

I've never talked about a unity /political/. However, there can be more cultural integration among mongols.
Halha-centrism in Mongolia is really a barrier for cultural relations between the mongols.

How many inner mongolians and oirats from Xinjiang come to Mongolia carrying their hope and dreams, and got beaten up in the streets, and are called Chinese.

Those halha-centrists even established their political party, lead by Galina /famous for being openly fascist/, and saying to get rid of buryats from Mongolia.

Добавлено: 10.12.04, 16:50 +0000

Давайте все будем поспокойнее.
Сансарана, вас тоже касается.
Я, кстати, вообще не понял, чего вдруг какой-то околополитический спор затеяли вы в чисто исторической теме?
Если я ничего не пропустил, в начальном посте ничего не говорилось про халхацентризм и тем более фашизм, что за сыр-бор затеялся на ровном месте?
Как бы то ни было, понятно же любому, что в мире ныне одна лишь монгольская страна имеет независмость, и населена она на 90% халхасцами. И роль этой страны и ее народа в судьбах монгольского мира переоценить достаточно трудно, эта роль велика. Чего какие-то обиды поднимать?
Я предлагаю перестать уводить тему в сторону и удаляю свой же пост не по теме. Призываю и остальных поступить также, и перейти к обсуждению очень интересных тезисов Энхд-а.

Добавлено: 10.12.04, 16:59 +0000 **sansarana**

"Nationalism and hybridity in Mongolia" is actually a very good book. It shows real mentality of halh people.

I just wish, you guys, to understand that halh-centrism /hatred against non-halh mongols/ is really serious problem. There are famous people among them: Dashbalbar, Zunduin Dorj /always talking about hel, hil, mal gurav/, Galina.

Добавлено: 10.12.04, 17:16 +0000 **Re: sansarana**

Добавлено: 11.12.04, 11:17 +0000

Добавлено: 13.12.04, 06:48 +0000

Eto kogda eto u nas byla kakaya to nenavist' protiv ne-halhastsev? Kto takoi Galina? Po imeni tak russkaya baba, ne slyhal ya nikogda pro takie veschi. Dashbalbar i Zunduin Dorj, ne pomnyu chto oni chego to podobnoe propagandirovali. V takoi period kak 90-ye esche malo li chego mogut otchayavschiesya lyudi pridumat'.

Ne kontsentrirui svoe vnimanie na takie veschi. Ya znau chto u nas mnogo lyudei hodyat so strannymi ideyami, kotoryh ne perechislit'. Bud' gorda svoim nasledstvom, esli tykat' vsem v litso obvineniya to nichego polojitelnogo vzamen' ne poluchit'.

I have just finished reading about a Mongolian woman that came to the United States about 1865. She was born as Lalu Nathoy somewhere in Mongolia in on September 11, 1853.
The said that she was sold by her parents because they needed food. She was taken to a southern seaport and then taken with other girls to Portland. There she was sold illegally and taken by a man called Big Jim to Idaho City where she and four other girls were forced to work as bar girls.
Later Big Jim took her and the others to Warren, Idaho and opened a saloon there where they worked for them as prostitutes for the miners of Warren. Some worked as prostitutes but people say that she never worked as a prostitute. One day it is said that Big Jim was sitting in the sun and just died of a heart attack and fell over. Nobody liked him because he was so mean to the girls. Then all the girls were free to do as they wish.
It is said that Lalu opened a restaurant and boarding house and it was there that she met a man named Charlie Bemis. They became friends and later he convinced her to come and work for him at his farm just down the Salmon river there. There were now roads at the time so they had to travel on the rough river. Charlie’s farm was in a nice spot. She now had the name of Polly taken when she first arrived. Polly worked the big garden and Charlie worked his sluice boxes. They married after some time. They were together there for about 51 years. Charlie came down with an illness in 1922 and also their cabin burned during his illness.
Friends then too Polly to other towns around the area. She saw her first streetcar, lights and even rode in an elevator and a streetcar.
But she was not impressed so she asked to be taken back to her place on the Salmon river.
Friends rebuilt her cabin and she stayed there for another ten years. She became ill in 1933 and died sometime later.
Years later, friends didn’t want to have Polly’s story lost to time so they converted the cabin into a museum. It can be reached even now only by the riverboats. Also, there is now a book about her. She died as Polly Bemis.
She is identified in many places as a Chinese-American pioneer. But if she was born in China north of Peking then it is quite likely that she was indeed a Mongolian. A map from that time shows Mongolia as part of China.

Добавлено: 26.05.05, 03:39 +0000 **Re: sansarana**

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